[pygtk] Pygtk.org website IRC Meeting
pm at daffodil.uk.com
Mon Dec 25 19:48:32 WST 2006
As a new user to the platform I'm inclined to agree on most of these points.
I also maintain the Smarty.php.net docs and am an active member of =
developer.mozilla.com so I understand some of the problems with doc/site =
There are a few points I'd like to throw in for my "tuppany's" worth, =
and would also like to contribute as I'm now using pyGTK for all desktop =
(x-platfrom) apps. Next year will be pygtk for me and am so looking =
Biggest problem in my opinion is that the site is not sure whether its =
catering for the pygtk developers, or the end users.
The tutorial/manual should have users comments. This will at least =
provide an user with a tip to a problem already solved and it is =
invaluable and highly relevant. The php net site do this and also the =
xulplanet web site. Indeed I would say than particularly with xulplanet =
most of the useful part of the tutorial is in the user comments. I also =
think that user comments do eventually work their way into the =
manual/tutorial and should be treated as such. eg a good comment =
demonstrating an example should be integrated into the manual and the =
comment deleted. As far as submitting the comment, the php.net site seem =
to have it sussed regarding spam and the implementation could be =
nicked.. oops sorry, ahem.. the un-patented business method used as an =
Whether the tutorial should be in a wiki? This is a big step and indeed =
a lot of my time spent on dev.mozilla is in migrating documents. Its =
wonderful to see how over time it gets crafted with links here and =
little tweaks. The biggest problem with a wiki in addition to CPU =
resources is authentication and rouge editors, however these do tend to =
be few and far between from my experience - if wikipedia can survive it =
then i don't see a big problem. If I was to recommend a wiki then I =
would suggest Bitweaver.
As far as the tutorials go there is a mega one there already at =
http://pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ thansk to John Finlay, last updated in =
March 2006, This is good, however its more like a Guide book than a =
tutorial imho. Some of the most invaluable tutorials appear off the =
main site, eg one that helped me was the pygtk with glade. Couldn't =
these appear on the main pygtk site? it would make it more official and =
up to a coding standard.
One of the most valuable resources is the pygtk FAQ - however sometimes =
its slow. Again shouldn't this be on the main site and maintained? =
www.async.com.br/*faq*/*pygtk*/index.py. Mainly so editors have =
permission with one common login
Also one last point is for windows users, they are the biggest market. =
Indeed I checked pygtk, then went for mono and gtk# and after 2 days, =
realised that the install to windows was going to be a nightmare and =
came back to pygtk ;-). I've even been thinking about creating a =
"Windows install pack" than installs python, gtk, pygtk, cairo.. the =
whole lot, just for my own deployments. It took me sometime to figure it =
out and as a newbie, getting my head around all the versions was =
confusing to say the least, particularly as a lot of the elements were =
on different other sites. Windows users expect to have an installer, =
that's one of the great things about vb.net. Maybe NSIS would be a good =
solution http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ ?
Anyway, just some thoughts. Keep of the good work and I want to contribute.
Happy Xmas and Merry new Year..
whaw.. its xmas day, better go and stuff that turkey
Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Hi there,
> pachi and I was talking few days ago about the actual situation of the =
> pygtk.org <http://pygtk.org> website.
> The discussion started because I have some complaints about the pygtk =
> tutorial, because it doesn't help to people who want to learn what =
> pyGtk is and how to use it. However, the tutorial is the most obvious =
> item on the documentation section, so people are using it to learn how =
> to use the platform (which is a wrong choice). Some articles seems =
> like a better choice for that.
> Then, he started to tell me some data from Google Analytics, and we =
> realized that we're not taking care about the most important profiles =
> of our target audience. We both realized that the whole website needs =
> to be reorganized.
> We had a long conversation about usability and marketing issues about =
> the website. And we need to address those conclusions and ideas into =
> effective work.
> I have started a wiki page http://live.gnome.org/PyGTK/Website, where =
> we should put the state of the art, the conclusions and our plans.
> I also think that we should have an IRC meeting for the pygtk.org =
> <http://pygtk.org> mini-revamp :) (at least, pachi and me).
> What about wednesday 22:00 GMT+0?
> -- =
> Un saludo,
> Alberto Ruiz
> pygtk mailing list pygtk at daa.com.au
> Read the PyGTK FAQ: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/
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